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Molio pomoc oko VCDS jer dosad sam koristio stariju verziju do 2015g aute tj golf 5 vecinom i ostale hex+can kabelim..no sad sam narucio i dobio 22.9 hex V2 i spajam je na passata b8 2020g i skuzio sam da u njih sve ide preko adaptation modula nego mi se desava da prilikom ulaska security access 31347 na bilo koji modul,prihvati ali nakon nema adaptation,siv je!?

Zna li itko na prvo zbog cega,dali je krivi kabel ili jednostavno modul ne podrzava

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Pretpostavljam da je kopija vcds. Ako jeste nisi ispratio proceduru instalacije. Pa obrisi i ponovi. I uvjek moras da pokrećes onaj loader pa preko njega vcds. Zbog same licence. Ako ona nije aktivna onda ne mozes nista konkretno da radis sa kablom.

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Msm da moras imat original da bi funkcioniralo na +2019-20god..vjv imas onu kopiju od sklad-a

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Normalno ulazi i sve samo na security access prihvati kod ali nikako da "mogu" kliknut na adaptation ni na 09,46 itd itd

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https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/download/current.php

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ll model-year 2019 and newer cars require one of our current interfaces.
Although this Release of VCDS still supports every interface Ross-Tech has sold since 2004, none of our legacy interfaces such as the HEX+CAN and Micro-CAN will work properly with 2019 or newer model cars. If you intend to work with 2019 or newer cars and do not yet have a current interface, please contact your distributor or see this page for upgrade options.

To sto imas 22,9 softver i to krekani, nista ne znaci ako ti je hardver (kabel) star.

Mi tu neki, imamo sa sklad66 koji je odlicna kopija i imamo update (aktualno je 23.3) ali bojim se da ni on vise ne radi sa novijim modelima. 
Planiram ponovno kupiti sa sklad66 aktualnu verziju, ali prvo provjeriti s njima da li je to kopija novog interface-a ili starog.

EDIT: cini se da je kopija novog interface-a. https://sklad66.com/cms/HEX-V2.html

 

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New model HEX-V2, replaces HEX-USB+CAN (HEX-V1).
It works faster, with support for models after 2018.
HEX-USB+CAN does not support some controllers used in cars after around 2018.
Greater VCDS functionality when used with HEX-V2.
A real HEX-V2, not just a V2-like case.
Can be used with an unlimited number of cars (VIN numbers).
Latest version + on-line update.
Can be used with all versions of VCDS (old name VAG-COM).
Compatible interface for VCDS (VAG-COM), for the latest version with the possibility of on-line updating of subsequent versions.

It is suitable for dealer-level diagnostics for all VAG (Volkswagen, Audi, Seat, Skoda, etc.) cars modeled after 1990. until now.
The product can also be used to diagnose MAN TGE vans, Bentley Continental/Mulsanne/Arnage, Lamborghini Gallardo/Huracan/Aventador, VW Marine Engines, VW Industrial Engines, KTM XBOW, Spyker C8, Multicar Tremo, YES! and others.

Here you can find a comparison table of the product's capabilities compared to dealer VAS/ODIS systems.

Allows reading and erasing error codes, live data, actuation, service intervals, adaptations, coding and more in almost all controllers.
More information about VCDS (VAG-COM) can be found here.

With this interface you can use VCDS without any restrictions and in its full functionality.

It can be installed on a computer with MS Windows XP or later, 32 or 64 bit. Including Windows 11.

Interface language: English, Russian, German , etc.

Fully protocol compatible with original VAG VAS diagnostic tools.
Also works with "difficult" to wire controllers - 1991-1994 1Z Audi TDI and 1993-1994 Audi 2.6L with Hella ECU.
Built-in reverse polarity protection and permanently connected to +12V or ground K/K1 and L/K2 lines.
Support for platforms using two K lines - Audi A4 B6/8E, 2002+ A6, A8, etc. Without any manual switches.
Supports the new platforms with direct CAN connection - Golf 5/6/7/8, Tiguan, T-Roc, CC, Scirocco, Q2-Q8, Amarok, Arteon, etc.

Also fully compatible with older model cars using a single K line or K + L line.

An additional adapter is required for use in older model cars with a VAG 2x2 diagnostic socket . An additional adapter
is required for use in older VW LT vans with a round 14-pin diagnostic socket .

It is also possible to diagnose cars and other manufacturers according to the OBD-II standard.

Plugs into a free USB port.
Microprocessor device implemented with a high degree of integration, all components are collected in the OBD connector.
New more comfortable housing, LED indicators are in the back for better visibility.
USB cable that can be separated from the interface.

 

The set includes:

HEX-V2 interface with OBD16 connector;
USB cable 1.5m;
Everything you need in electronic form: drivers, installation manual and user manual in Bulgarian, Russian and English, etc.

 

Edited by projektilski

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to sto pricate veze sa vezom nema, kopija i original su potpuno isti sto se tice funkcionalnosti, original je samo original i ima brze čipove i podrzava upgrade firmware-a, mada ima i i kopija (boljih kopija) sa ST čipom koji podrzavaju upgrade firmware-a. Atmega cip je slabija kopija i ne smije na Internet, ali sto se funkcionalnosti tice, ISTO JE, ni sa najnovijim originalnom ne mozes neke stvari raditi (citajte RossTech forum pa cete vidjeti).  sto se tice pokretanja preko loadera, i to je jedan mit koji kruzi Internetom, on sluzi samo da licecena ne postane neaktivna ako je atmega čip (mada ako se pokrene i preko loadera a ode na Internet, moze zeznut firmware), ali kljucna stvar je DA SU FUNKCIONALNOSTI ISTE KAO U ORIGINALA.

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Zasto onda kod mene kopija ne vidi coding u modulu 9? Ako je to tako kao sto ti pričaš, na orginalu ima i uredno to radi.

 

 

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On 5/4/2023 at 11:06 PM, dzoni said:

to sto pricate veze sa vezom nema, kopija i original su potpuno isti sto se tice funkcionalnosti, original je samo original i ima brze čipove i podrzava upgrade firmware-a, mada ima i i kopija (boljih kopija) sa ST čipom koji podrzavaju upgrade firmware-a. Atmega cip je slabija kopija i ne smije na Internet, ali sto se funkcionalnosti tice, ISTO JE, ni sa najnovijim originalnom ne mozes neke stvari raditi (citajte RossTech forum pa cete vidjeti).  sto se tice pokretanja preko loadera, i to je jedan mit koji kruzi Internetom, on sluzi samo da licecena ne postane neaktivna ako je atmega čip (mada ako se pokrene i preko loadera a ode na Internet, moze zeznut firmware), ali kljucna stvar je DA SU FUNKCIONALNOSTI ISTE KAO U ORIGINALA.

To sto pricam je direktno od Ross-Techa a ti nisi razumio sto kaze. Stariji ORIGINAL kabel NE RADI U POTPUNOSTI na najnovijim VAG modelima. Pa tako i kopije po dizajnu tog starijeg kabela NE RADE sa novijim modelima u potpunosti. Nije do softvera (VCDS-a bio original ili krekani) nego do kabela. Ako ne radi ni stariji original kablel, tesko je za ocekivati da ce kopija tog istog starijeg kabela raditi. Logicno zar ne?

Ponavljam jos jednom, direktno sa ROSS-TECHa

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Although this Release of VCDS still supports every interface Ross-Tech has sold since 2004, none of our legacy interfaces such as the HEX+CAN and Micro-CAN will work properly with 2019 or newer model cars. If you intend to work with 2019 or newer cars and do not yet have a current interface, please contact your distributor or see this page for upgrade options.

Evo i ovo

https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/37208/post-310512

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So there is no sort of firmware update to support newer cars, I have to trade in my old genuine cable to a new one?

Correct. The HEX+CAN was introduced in 2004. It had a whopping 16 kB of space for firmware. At the time, we figured that was plenty, but 10-12 years later, it was full to the brim, meaning there was no possibility to implement more functionality. The limited amount of RAM in that interface is also a problem when it comes to certain functions (huge Adaptation channels) in some modules in current cars.

 

Jednostavno je, ako i stariji original ne radi, kopije starog originala isto nece raditi kako spada.

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to je tacno, to vazi za stariji VAG kabal al nisam za njega ni govorio to je toliko star kabal da ne vrijedi nista, mislim da je to verija do 17 ili 18.

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Taj "stariji" HEX-CAN (aka HEX-V1) kabel se do nedavno (relastivan pojam naravno, do 2017te, sto je 13 godina od kad je izasao)  jos prodavao na ROSS-TECHu i njegove kopije se prodaju po netu jos uvijek. Zato i ne rade sa novijim modelima.
SKLAD66 ima kopiju tog starijeg (HEX-CAN aka HEX-V1) i kopiju tog aktulanog (HEX-V2) u ponudi. Mi kad smo kupovali tu preko foruma, HEX V2 nije postojao, samo HEX-CAN i podrzavao je sve modele u tom trenutku i jos godinama iza nove modele eto sve do 2018/2019 za VW, jednako kao i original. Kad je original prestao raditi sa novim modelima, i nasa kopija vise ne radi.
Na netu mozes naci bolje i losije kopije HEX-CANa jos uvije, pa cak i u kucistu od HEX-V2 ali takvi nece raditi sa novijim modelima.
SKLAD66 zato i jasno kaze kod novog modela koji prodaju:

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New model HEX-V2, replaces HEX-USB+CAN (HEX-V1).
It works faster, with support for models after 2018.
HEX-USB+CAN does not support some controllers used in cars after around 2018.
Greater VCDS functionality when used with HEX-V2.
A real HEX-V2, not just a V2-like case.

Tako da ponovim, ukoliko covjek ima kopiju HEX-CAN kabela (bilo u starom kucistu ili u kucistu od HEX-V2), koja je do nedavno bila aktualna verzija, nije ni cudo da mu ne radi sve kako spada.  Ako ima stvarno pravu kopiju HEX-V2 onda mozemo raspravljati zasto ne radi.

Moj pocetni komentar i dalje stoji. Nije bitno koju verziju VCDSa ima nego koju kopiju kabela (HEX-CAN ili HEX-V2).

 

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Upravo to i kazem, ima pun k toga, kuciste je HEX-V2 a unutra klon od HEX-CAN.
Planiram uzeti ponovno klon i bit ce opet od sklad66 jer je to provjeren site.

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