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Povremeni problem sa paljenjem

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Pozdrav!
Imam vw touran 1.9, 77kw, bkc motor, 2005. godiste.

Pre 10-ak dana se prvi put desilo da sam imao problem sa paljenjem auta, tj u popodnevnim satima kada sam probao da ga upalim auto samo vergla, ali je cudan zvuk verglanja, kao da se gusi i nece da upali, a primetio sam da kada nece da se upali da tada ne zazuji pumpa prilikom davanja kontakta. Onda vise puta pukusam da upalim i da samo dajem kontakt i da ga iskljucujem i u jednom momentu se cuje zujanje pumpe posle davanja kontakta i tada upali auto. Kada upalim auto, rad motora je ravnomeran i u voznji se lepo ponasa i vuce lepo.

Problem sa paljenjem nikad nisam imao u jutarnjim satima pri prvom paljenju. Problem pri paljenju se najcesce desava u toku dana kada pokusam da upalim auto.

Imao sam pre par dana kod sebe vcds dijagnostiku i ocitao sam sledece greske i snimio log.


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Chassis Type: 1T (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 18 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: ------------   Mileage: 258050km-160344miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 1010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 1010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKC.clb
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 CD    HW: 028 101 194 5
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  6246  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E3024218
   Coding: 0000072
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 67DD0E9B566DDDBEAA-8032

2 Faults Found:
18049 - Please check DTC Memory of A/C Controller
            P1641 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.24 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Temperature: 61.2°C
                    (no units): 144.0

19781 - Power Supply Terminal 15
            P3325 - 000 - Implausible - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.84 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Bin. Bits:        0
                    (no units): 1.0

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AA    HW: 1K0 907 379 AA
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102  
   Revision: 00H13001    
   Coding: 0021190
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 71E960C368A9130EF4-8024

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 044 BE
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0808  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6BD572AB4A85F9DECE-803E

2 Faults Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
            000 - -
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 D    HW: 3C0 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005166897
   Coding: 008B8F210004100000120C000000000000097B075C
   Shop #: WSC 80093 222 69422
   VCID: 2A5BB7AF85FF20D675-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW358  012  0401  
   Coding: 00065493
   Shop #: WSC 80093  

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 7
                    Reset counter: 153
                    Mileage: 257920 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.35 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 909 605 C    HW: 1T0 909 605 C
   Component: 02 AIRBAG VW62 0506 1500  
   Revision: 09025000    Serial number: 0038BD0G4JWK  
   Coding: 0012338
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 356194D35C417F2EE8-8060

2 Faults Found:
01228 - Airbag Cut-Off Switch for Passenger Side (E224)
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent - MIL ON
01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200)
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AF    HW: 1K0 953 549 AF
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 034 0070  
   Coding: 0000042
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 76E353DF01C7343621-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 920 862 F
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 4312  
   Coding: 0007101
   Shop #: WSC 80093 222 69422
   VCID: 366393DF41477436E1-8062

3 Faults Found:
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
            003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-815-071.clb
   Part No: 1K0 815 071 P
   Component: Zuheizer        031 1312  
   Revision:        A    Serial number: 09010046      
   Coding: 0000011
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 326BAFCFAD2F6816CD-8066

5 Faults Found:
01415 - Recirculating Pump (V55)
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 255
                    Reset counter: 60
                    Mileage: 254425 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 22:54:09

             Freeze Frame:
                        OFF
                    Temperature: 27.0°C
                    Temperature: 31.0°C

02085 - Incorrect Control Module Installed
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 255
                    Reset counter: 60
                    Mileage: 254425 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 22:54:09

00664 - Fuel gauge
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 52
                    Reset counter: 187
                    Mileage: 260917 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 28:53:41

01444 - Under-Voltage Shut-Off (Automatic)
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 52
                    Reset counter: 187
                    Mileage: 260917 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 28:53:41

01415 - Recirculating Pump (V55)
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 255
                    Reset counter: 60
                    Mileage: 254425 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 22:54:09

             Freeze Frame:
                        OFF
                    Temperature: 27.0°C
                    Temperature: 31.0°C


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 F    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: Gateway         H10 0120  
   Revision:   H10       Serial number: 2800105B19054C
   Coding: 3D3F1340078002
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 2A5BB7AF85FF20D675-807E

2 Faults Found:
01304 - Radio
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 156
                    Mileage: 242033 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 15:48:02

01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 33
                    Reset counter: 155
                    Mileage: 257507 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 14:15:26


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1T0 920 862 F
   Component: IMMO            VDD 4312  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 366393DF41477436E1-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 701 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2301  
   Coding: 0000180
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 366393DF41477436E1-8062

2 Faults Found:
01552 - Motor for Central Locking; Drivers Door (V56); Lock
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220)
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V2.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 K
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5   D06 1701  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3365AACB5235611EC6-8066

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 7480 km
                    Temperature: 27.0°C
                    Voltage: 12.40 V
                    Voltage: 12.20 V


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 00C802087F2D8405484F016010CC
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 79F958E330D95B4E4C-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 702 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2301  
   Coding: 0000180
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 377D9EDB464D8D3EFA-8062

2 Faults Found:
00097 - Front Passengers Central Locking (Safe) Motor (V162)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00929 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Passenger Side (F221)
            008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 703 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0214  
   Coding: 0000048
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 2F6DA6BBBE1D45FEA2-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 704 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0214  
   Coding: 0000048
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 306FA5C7A3235A06BB-8064

No fault code found.

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Edited by toda81

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Te sve greske ukazuju da si imao problem sa akumulatorom koji je bio skinut/ ispraznjen.

 Provjeri da li su kleme cvrsto spojene. I osiguraci na akumulatoru ako ih ima.

Ali imas definitivno ovu gresku 

01415 - Recirculating Pump (V55)
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent

ta pumpa v55 los konektor ili je crkla.

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Hvala puno na odgovoru.

 

Provericu danas kleme kako stoje na akumulatoru i da li ima osiguraca kod akumulatora.

 

Ovaj deo oko pumpe ce ipak morati majstor da proveri jer se ja ne razumem i ne znam kako bih mogao da utvrdim sam da li je pumpa crkla ili su losi konektori na pumpi. 

Od kad sam kupio auto imam problem jer mi kazaljka koja pokazuje nivo goriva u rezervoaru cas radi, a cas ne radi. Elektricar je pre godinu dana video da je prethodni vlasnik sam izgleda hteo nesto da radi oko webasta i navodno je postavljeno neko crevo za webasto, mada je niti znam da li imam webasto, niti znam da li radi, a kada se otvori hauba ima nalepnica za webcasto.

Ako je crkla pumpa za gorivo, da li bi ona uopste radila povremeno kao sto radi kod mene ili ne bi uopste radila?

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vjv lose okrece kad je vruc... problem bude u samom el pokretacu ali se da rjersit mapicom tj korekcijom hot start. Nuspojave malo crnog dima kad upali al neseboj...

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Znači ti smatraše da je problem hot start, a ne pumpa i da treba da se uradi mapa.

Nadam se da će moj električar to znati i da neće menjati nešto bez potrebe.

 

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Hvala, sada ću da pogledam video.

Znači to je rešenje za ovaj problem, a nije problem u pumpi

 

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Prekontrolisi i pumpu za svaki slucaj...

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Hvala na savetima. Čim se vratim sa odmora idem kod majstora i javljam sta sam uradio

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Drugari, samo da vam javim da je resen problem na mom touranu.

Problem je bio u motornom racunaru. 

Kupio sam polovan motorni racunar sa istim oznakama koje je nosio moj stari za 90e i majstor mi je jos dodatno naplatio 170e, sto ukupno dodje 260e. 

Sada konacno sve lepo radi.

Rekao mi je da je i akumulator los i da on moze da bude uzrok ovih problema za motor im racunarom i preporucuje zamenu akumulatora.

Takodje mi je rekao da je stari motorni  racunar izbacivao gresku sa zaprljanim egr ventilom igresku sa klapnom gasa,anovi uopste ne prijavljuje te dve greske.

Hvala vam puno na odgovorima i pomoci.

 

Veliki pozdrav!

 

 

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Jako cudan problem. Stari ti je javljao greske koji nisi mogao obrisati?

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Auto sam kupio pre oko 2 godine. Kupio ga je moj prijatelj koji zivi u Austriji. Kupljen je od vlasnika koji je imao 3 tourana, tj. moj koji je 2005. god, drugi je 2010. i treci 2016. I taj 2010. je bio na prodaju, ali ja nisam imao dovoljno novca pa sam kupio 2006. 

Moj auto je bukvalno vozen do 2010. godine kada je kupio drugog tourana i posle toga ga je ocigledno koristio za prevoz svega i svacega i bio jeu nekoj travi. 

Kako sam dosao do tog zakljucka? Kada sam preuzimao auto sa carine ja sam se bas razocarao jer je karoserija , skroz u krug, do visine polovine vrata puna nekih zutih tackica, cak i ona olasticna lajsna. Ja sam to nekako sredio tako sto sam dva dana ludacki trljao polir pastom sve te delove i skinuo sam sve te zute tackice koje su bile nalik koroziji. 

Pored toga sam imaoproblem sa malim hladnjakom jer je rashladna tecnost bila kao mulj pa sam sa kumom par puta ispirao vodom ceo sistem i nekako sto to sredili.

Bukvalno par dana kada sam ga dovezao kuci iregistrovao, odjednom je prestala da radi turbina i auto je jedva vukao, tj jedva sam nekako dolazio maksimalno do 90km/h.

Posle vise pokusaja i pogresne kupovine map senzora i vakuum jedinice ili kako se vec zove, otisao sam kod dobrog elektricara koji je pronasao da je problem sto su pinovi na motornom racunaru oksidirali i on jeto sredio i turbina je proradila. 

Klimu mu nije radila od samog pocetka ito mi je sredio moj elektricar, a upitanju je bila samo neka gumica koju je zamenio i stavio originalnu i tako mi je sredio klimu.

Nedavno sam zamenio i set kvacila sa plivajucim zamajcem.

Poslednji problem je ovaj koji se desio sa paljenjem.

Kujen je sa 213.000km, a sada ima oko 260.000. 

Najverovarnije je to prava km jer sam gledao njegovu servisnu knjizicu i nekako mi je logicno da nije puno vozen posle kupovine ona druga dva tourana i da je koriscen za prljave poslove.

Cim sam kupio auto, otisao sam kod najboljeg elektronicara u gradu koga znam i on jesa originalnom dijagnostikom video da na dva mesta pamti km i na oba mesta mu je bila ista km sto ukazuje da su ogromne sanse da je km prava itom prilikom mi je rekao da je eger ventil malo zaprljan jer mu je to izbacila dijagnostika.

Posto je auto lepo radio, skroz mirno i ravnomerno i u leru, nisam hteo nista da diram kada je eger ventil u pitanju.

Mozda sam preterao sa pricom, ali sam hteo da napisem sta se sve desavalo od momenta kupovine.

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